Apologies if our editorial led you to believe Porsche will create a Turbo S Targa, because this is not the case. Porsche has only used the Targa body style on its Turbo for the late 930 generation, and since the 997.2 era, has offered either Coupe or Cabriolet body styles for its Turbo S offering. It is highly unlikely Porsche will again turn to the Targa body style for its Turbo engine, and DrivesToday knows of no plans to introduce this for the upcoming 992.2 generation.
Porsche plans to revive the Turbo S Targa. My question is: will this materialise from Porsche? It would be nice if it will also have an option of a manual transmission.
’88 desperation Whilst I must admit the recently announced F-PACE SVR Edition 1988 looks tremendous, I can’t help thinking Jaguar’s marketing people are going to run out of obscure anniversaries fairly soon. Personally I fancy a Cannonball edition to commemorate the 1979 coast-tocoast run in an XJ-S. Don’t laugh, it could happen.
I’m glad you mentioned the Audi R8 in your Lamborghini Huracán Buyers’ Guide. Considering that the Lamborghini is essentially an R8 under the skin, I wonder what could possibly justify a price difference of 2.5 times on the used car market, as your pricing guide suggests? I even prefer the way the R8 looks compared to the Lamborghini, which is painful to admit considering I’m an Italian car fan through and through. Should I now hide my shame and type ‘Audi’ into the search field on Autotrader? Maybe that’s a step too far…
Great fun reading your latest issue, including the ‘Drogo’ pair of Ferraris and your Scottish jaunt. Perhaps you can assist with this strange mystery.
At the 1967 Turin Show, Pininfarina exhibited a breathtaking Leonardo Fioravanti-designed derivative of the Fiat Dino Spider in the style of a Berlinetta, painted in metallic blue. This subsequently did the rounds of the European shows and was very well received, but no further examples were built. With the advent of the 2.4, the same car was slightly modified (grille, bumpers) and painted yellow – Pininfarina’s then preferred shade for show cars – even though the engine wasn’t changed!
After that, it vanished and, according to someone I knew in Turin, even Pininfarina had no knowledge of its whereabouts. If it was appropriated, someone is sitting on a gem. Incidentally, the curious Pininfarina Parigi ‘Breadvan’ and Ginevra 2.0-litre Dino line-studies, penned by Paolo Martin, were variations on the same chassis. Rumours of four Ginevra models being built are just that.
As in the ‘Drogo’ articles, the Dino Berlinetta story has a couple of twists. At the Lancia Gamma launch in Portofino, I had a lengthy chat with the ‘father’ of the Gamma, Sergio Camuffo, who had more than a passing soft spot for Fiat Dinos. He recounted that two brothers, whom he knew, had apparently asked Pininfarina to convert their Dino Spiders into Berlinettas but, sadly, nothing more was known. As the photos show, that one-off Berlinetta is one of the most beautifully balanced designs.
Thank goodness you photographed the Ferrari 250 GT Breadvan when you did. I’ve just seen footage of the Le Mans Classic race that it took part in, and crashed out of, with devastating consequences. Luckily no one was hurt in the incident but what a shame that such a valuable car with such a unique story should have had such a huge crash. As you seem to suggest in your article, though, this is not the first time the Breadvan has been biffed, and probably won’t be the last. No doubt it will be reinstated to racing condition, ready to be seen at Goodwood and so on in the future.
While it may seem a minor nit to pick, the first competitive outing for the glorious E30 M3 was in the divine black and gold JPS Team BMW livery, so splendidly displayed in your April spread on Pip Barker’s car, at Calder Park, Melbourne Australia on 28th February 1987. Jim Richards finished fifth before going on to win the championship – not the Monza WTCC round on 22nd March 1987 as stated in 50 Years of M – Part 2. Just to continue the theme, when the ex-JPS Team BMW cars sold to Peter Brock’s Mobil 05 team and then to Peter Doulman, they had 2-litre engines developed in Australia for the local Australian Super Touring championship. Their success saw BMW M obtaining the development work as the basis for the ETCC and WTCC cars.
I really enjoyed your feature on the ex-Top Gear 8 Series, I remember the episode that the car appeared in vividly, in fact it switched me on to the wonders of the 8 Series and a few years later I bought one for myself! That car has long since been sold to a new owner but I’m sure I wouldn’t have owned it if it weren’t for that episode of the show. It is great to see that the car lives on today.
I was lucky enough to see these cars race at Silverstone in 1991 and I’ll never forget the noise as 16 V12 racing cars came pouring round Copse Corner where I stood with my late father.
I also remember being confused as to what these cars were; were they Jaguars or TWRs? Racing cars or meant for the road? And so ove 30 years later, you’ve finally given me the answers.
I can’t help but think that as manufacturers (including Jaguar) start to concentrate on electric cars, the idea of a V12-engined, high-performance supercar like the XJR-15 is now as outdated as the dinosaurs or as politically correct as smoking in a school.
Although I understand the importance of lowering CO2 emissions, I’ll still miss the noise only genuine racing cars produce. The scream of the Ferrari V12 in Alain Prost’s 643 F1 car during the same weekend could be heard all over Silverstone.
By comparison, my son-in-law treated me to tickets to the British E-Prix a few years ago and although interesting, I found the lack of sound as the cars silently whooshed past more than a little depressing. I can only imagine what Sir William Lyons or Enzo Ferrari would think. Just as they need speed and effective aerodynamics, racing cars also need a good noise!
Keep up the great work. Jaguar World coming through my letterbox is always the highlight of the month.
Sometime in the middle of Lockdown 16, Octane received a press release about the most googled cars during the restrictions brought on by the pandemic. Typically, it was the sort of thing a PR company pops out at 9am on a Monday morning for its client, before ticking the box and getting on with the next job; the sort of largely contrived, slightly circumspect and unsubstantiated email that may spark a bit of conversation in the office (though such a thing didn’t exist at that stage, obviously) and will then be promptly forgotten. Its chances of being reproduced at any length in any serious media were pretty much zilch.
But one detail stuck with me, and it was that the soaraway winner (if you could believe the data) was the Citroen DS. Way more popular among the googlers than the E-type, Ferrari 250 GTO, Miura and even the Mini. That doesn’t necessarily surprise me — I waste a lot of my own time browsing the DS on French classified site leboncoin, after all — but it did remind me how beloved they are, the sort of car for which you have such affection that you are genuinely pleased for other people owning them, even if you can’t have one yourself. Genuine event cars, despite that wheezy engine, cars that have something for everyone, whether it be their futuristic aesthetics or their design and engineering bravura.
If you want the utilitarian simplicity of the ID or the comparative luxury of the Pallas, there is a DS for all tastes, and the model range transcends class and car snobbery in a manner that only a small handful of cars, including 2CVs and Minis, truly can.
I recall that in a previous time of disruption — the Eyjaijallajokull volcanic ash cloud that grounded Europe’s planes in 2010 — stranded comedian Bill Bailey bought a DS in Aix-en-Provence and drove it back to the UK as an enthralled Twitter followed his adventure. I also recall a more recent argument over whether to call those delectable rear lights ‘trumpets’ or ‘chip cones’, and Team Chip Cones (me) losing.
But most of all I remember speculating in print a decade ago whether you could really call yourself a classic car enthusiast if you had never owned a DS. It is such an important car that it is our collective burden to share both the glory and the pain of ownership. It should be a public duty, like jury service. I haven’t yet been called, but I am sure I will be.
I loved Chris Goddard’s E3. Thanks to people like Chris restoring cars that are (at least on paper) uneconomical to restore to that level, BMW enthusiasts like me get to enjoy models that would otherwise slip away into the history books.
Values of cars like the E3 are yet to reach the levels they often need to in order to make full restorations pay-off – if you are looking to recoup your investment, but classic BMW restoration isn’t always about that, thankfully. Restoring cars like these is more about the journey, the fun that is had along the way, and preserving them for future generations.
I have restored a few classic BMWs in my time and I never add-up what a project has cost as for me it’s more about enjoying the hobby than balancing the books. Maybe I am in a fortunate position but I for one prefer to see cars restored by genuine enthusiasts – like Chris – for their own pleasure, rather than those restored in order to break even or make money on. Well done to Chris and his friend Paul Lucking on a job well done!
I had to write in to express my dismay at the 2002, seeing such a classic BMW ruined with the addition of a Honda engine is just plain wrong. With so many amazing BMW engines available to choose from why would you opt for a Japanese engine? And one that requires you to drive it flat-out to get the best out of it too. That kind of engine doesn’t suit a car like a 2002 in my opinion.
I thought the Honda S2000-powered 2002 featured was great – what a breath of fresh air to see a modified classic BMW with a totally different twist on it. I have driven cars with those Honda VTEC engines inside and I have to say that they’re totally addictive – chasing the redline is so much fun and I bet that S2000 engine really makes that 2002 fun to drive. I’m all for beautifully restored, original, classic BMWs but every once in a while it’s nice to see something that breaks the mould, a car that might upset the purists but which expresses some real personality.
Talking of restorations, the E21 in this issue is another car brought back to life by a dedicated BMW enthusiast. For a long time you could pick up a decent E21 for not very much money while it sat in the shadow of the E30, as values of E30s have risen so the E21 has become more popular, and rightly so – the pure lines of the first generation of 3 Series and its ultimate simplicity make it a fabulous first classic car. Read about the rebuild of a lovingly restored 316.
BBC TV's Top Gear became ingrained in car culture decades ago, but it did something more than that. In its original form, with Clarkson, Hammond and May, it managed to go further than any «car show» had before – making cars mainstream. The programme became popular light entertainment for people who didn't care about cars, regardless of what you think of the show that's no mean feat. Now, as you undoubtedly know, the trio's antics over the years were peppered with controversy but even with that fact, for car enthusiasts, often it was their three-way car buying adventures that stuck in the mind – even if they ended in destruction. This month's cover car is a former star of one of those episodes – a survivor. The E31 850Ci was purchased for the show and raced by Richard Hammond against Jeremy Clarkson and James May in 2011. I won't spoil the feature for you but suffice to say the car hung around afterwards until a member of the production crew saved it following an eight-year lay-up. Read the full story.
Chapeau! for your excellent feature on Jerry Hathaway’s Citroën SM racecar, truck and trailer.
Jerry was a very dear friend, whom I had the pleasure of visiting for 12 years, until Covid hit. I would spend two to three weeks annually learning and doing all things SM under Jerry’s supervision in his Santa Clarita workshop [below] before returning to Oz and passing my findings on to the local SM enthusiasts. Regarding his willingness to share his expertise, he commented: ‘All I want [to see] is that SMs are running good.’ As for the rig being sold to Europe, Jerry was pleased that it would form part of an impressive SM collection and that European enthusiasts would be able to see it. Personally, I was touched by Marc Sonnery’s closing lines: ‘Here’s to you, Jerry Hathaway. André Citroën would surely have raised his hat in tribute.’
Your ‘Man and Machine’ article about Arwel Richards and his Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow in struck a chord. In May 2021 I sold my Daimler Double Six Coupé after 30 years’ ownership and promptly found a very nice 1970 Bentley T1 to replace it. Like Arwel, I contacted the Rolls-Royce Enthusiasts’ Club and found that the car had been ordered by Sir Nicolas Cayzer (later Lord Cayzer), a shipping magnate, and the T1 cost him the princely sum of £8,108.90. This included £1.25 for a GB badge, £6.00 for a badge bar and £3.55 for two yards of Ambla headliner, to be used for the later fitting of the sun roof. The average UK house price in 1970 was £4000! Arwel describes his Shadow’s paint as ‘shabby’. I think of mine as showing 52 years of a life lived well – and, like Arwel, I enjoy the car far too much to be precious.
Apologies if our editorial led you to believe Porsche will create a Turbo S Targa, because this is not the case. Porsche has only used the Targa body style on its Turbo for the late 930 generation, and since the 997.2 era, has offered either Coupe or Cabriolet body styles for its Turbo S offering. It is highly unlikely Porsche will again turn to the Targa body style for its Turbo engine, and DrivesToday knows of no plans to introduce this for the upcoming 992.2 generation.
Porsche plans to revive the Turbo S Targa. My question is: will this materialise from Porsche? It would be nice if it will also have an option of a manual transmission.
’88 desperation Whilst I must admit the recently announced F-PACE SVR Edition 1988 looks tremendous, I can’t help thinking Jaguar’s marketing people are going to run out of obscure anniversaries fairly soon. Personally I fancy a Cannonball edition to commemorate the 1979 coast-tocoast run in an XJ-S. Don’t laugh, it could happen.
HURACÁN VERSUS R8
I’m glad you mentioned the Audi R8 in your Lamborghini Huracán Buyers’ Guide. Considering that the Lamborghini is essentially an R8 under the skin, I wonder what could possibly justify a price difference of 2.5 times on the used car market, as your pricing guide suggests? I even prefer the way the R8 looks compared to the Lamborghini, which is painful to admit considering I’m an Italian car fan through and through. Should I now hide my shame and type ‘Audi’ into the search field on Autotrader? Maybe that’s a step too far…
Where is the Dino Berlinetta?
Great fun reading your latest issue, including the ‘Drogo’ pair of Ferraris and your Scottish jaunt. Perhaps you can assist with this strange mystery.
At the 1967 Turin Show, Pininfarina exhibited a breathtaking Leonardo Fioravanti-designed derivative of the Fiat Dino Spider in the style of a Berlinetta, painted in metallic blue. This subsequently did the rounds of the European shows and was very well received, but no further examples were built. With the advent of the 2.4, the same car was slightly modified (grille, bumpers) and painted yellow – Pininfarina’s then preferred shade for show cars – even though the engine wasn’t changed!
After that, it vanished and, according to someone I knew in Turin, even Pininfarina had no knowledge of its whereabouts. If it was appropriated, someone is sitting on a gem. Incidentally, the curious Pininfarina Parigi ‘Breadvan’ and Ginevra 2.0-litre Dino line-studies, penned by Paolo Martin, were variations on the same chassis. Rumours of four Ginevra models being built are just that.
As in the ‘Drogo’ articles, the Dino Berlinetta story has a couple of twists. At the Lancia Gamma launch in Portofino, I had a lengthy chat with the ‘father’ of the Gamma, Sergio Camuffo, who had more than a passing soft spot for Fiat Dinos. He recounted that two brothers, whom he knew, had apparently asked Pininfarina to convert their Dino Spiders into Berlinettas but, sadly, nothing more was known. As the photos show, that one-off Berlinetta is one of the most beautifully balanced designs.
BREADVAN IS TOAST
Thank goodness you photographed the Ferrari 250 GT Breadvan when you did. I’ve just seen footage of the Le Mans Classic race that it took part in, and crashed out of, with devastating consequences. Luckily no one was hurt in the incident but what a shame that such a valuable car with such a unique story should have had such a huge crash. As you seem to suggest in your article, though, this is not the first time the Breadvan has been biffed, and probably won’t be the last. No doubt it will be reinstated to racing condition, ready to be seen at Goodwood and so on in the future.
While it may seem a minor nit to pick, the first competitive outing for the glorious E30 M3 was in the divine black and gold JPS Team BMW livery, so splendidly displayed in your April spread on Pip Barker’s car, at Calder Park, Melbourne Australia on 28th February 1987. Jim Richards finished fifth before going on to win the championship – not the Monza WTCC round on 22nd March 1987 as stated in 50 Years of M – Part 2. Just to continue the theme, when the ex-JPS Team BMW cars sold to Peter Brock’s Mobil 05 team and then to Peter Doulman, they had 2-litre engines developed in Australia for the local Australian Super Touring championship. Their success saw BMW M obtaining the development work as the basis for the ETCC and WTCC cars.
I really enjoyed your feature on the ex-Top Gear 8 Series, I remember the episode that the car appeared in vividly, in fact it switched me on to the wonders of the 8 Series and a few years later I bought one for myself! That car has long since been sold to a new owner but I’m sure I wouldn’t have owned it if it weren’t for that episode of the show. It is great to see that the car lives on today.
Thank you for a fabulous feature about theXJR-15.
I was lucky enough to see these cars race at Silverstone in 1991 and I’ll never forget the noise as 16 V12 racing cars came pouring round Copse Corner where I stood with my late father.
I also remember being confused as to what these cars were; were they Jaguars or TWRs? Racing cars or meant for the road? And so ove 30 years later, you’ve finally given me the answers.
I can’t help but think that as manufacturers (including Jaguar) start to concentrate on electric cars, the idea of a V12-engined, high-performance supercar like the XJR-15 is now as outdated as the dinosaurs or as politically correct as smoking in a school.
Although I understand the importance of lowering CO2 emissions, I’ll still miss the noise only genuine racing cars produce. The scream of the Ferrari V12 in Alain Prost’s 643 F1 car during the same weekend could be heard all over Silverstone.
By comparison, my son-in-law treated me to tickets to the British E-Prix a few years ago and although interesting, I found the lack of sound as the cars silently whooshed past more than a little depressing. I can only imagine what Sir William Lyons or Enzo Ferrari would think. Just as they need speed and effective aerodynamics, racing cars also need a good noise!
Keep up the great work. Jaguar World coming through my letterbox is always the highlight of the month.
And the winner is...
Sometime in the middle of Lockdown 16, Octane received a press release about the most googled cars during the restrictions brought on by the pandemic. Typically, it was the sort of thing a PR company pops out at 9am on a Monday morning for its client, before ticking the box and getting on with the next job; the sort of largely contrived, slightly circumspect and unsubstantiated email that may spark a bit of conversation in the office (though such a thing didn’t exist at that stage, obviously) and will then be promptly forgotten. Its chances of being reproduced at any length in any serious media were pretty much zilch.
But one detail stuck with me, and it was that the soaraway winner (if you could believe the data) was the Citroen DS. Way more popular among the googlers than the E-type, Ferrari 250 GTO, Miura and even the Mini. That doesn’t necessarily surprise me — I waste a lot of my own time browsing the DS on French classified site leboncoin, after all — but it did remind me how beloved they are, the sort of car for which you have such affection that you are genuinely pleased for other people owning them, even if you can’t have one yourself. Genuine event cars, despite that wheezy engine, cars that have something for everyone, whether it be their futuristic aesthetics or their design and engineering bravura.
If you want the utilitarian simplicity of the ID or the comparative luxury of the Pallas, there is a DS for all tastes, and the model range transcends class and car snobbery in a manner that only a small handful of cars, including 2CVs and Minis, truly can.
I recall that in a previous time of disruption — the Eyjaijallajokull volcanic ash cloud that grounded Europe’s planes in 2010 — stranded comedian Bill Bailey bought a DS in Aix-en-Provence and drove it back to the UK as an enthralled Twitter followed his adventure. I also recall a more recent argument over whether to call those delectable rear lights ‘trumpets’ or ‘chip cones’, and Team Chip Cones (me) losing.
But most of all I remember speculating in print a decade ago whether you could really call yourself a classic car enthusiast if you had never owned a DS. It is such an important car that it is our collective burden to share both the glory and the pain of ownership. It should be a public duty, like jury service. I haven’t yet been called, but I am sure I will be.
In real life — colour of this Mini not like on the jpeg images
Very nice colour and wheels
Once 911 964 vs 928 — in red!
E3 Love
I loved Chris Goddard’s E3. Thanks to people like Chris restoring cars that are (at least on paper) uneconomical to restore to that level, BMW enthusiasts like me get to enjoy models that would otherwise slip away into the history books.
Values of cars like the E3 are yet to reach the levels they often need to in order to make full restorations pay-off – if you are looking to recoup your investment, but classic BMW restoration isn’t always about that, thankfully. Restoring cars like these is more about the journey, the fun that is had along the way, and preserving them for future generations.
I have restored a few classic BMWs in my time and I never add-up what a project has cost as for me it’s more about enjoying the hobby than balancing the books. Maybe I am in a fortunate position but I for one prefer to see cars restored by genuine enthusiasts – like Chris – for their own pleasure, rather than those restored in order to break even or make money on. Well done to Chris and his friend Paul Lucking on a job well done!
I had to write in to express my dismay at the 2002, seeing such a classic BMW ruined with the addition of a Honda engine is just plain wrong. With so many amazing BMW engines available to choose from why would you opt for a Japanese engine? And one that requires you to drive it flat-out to get the best out of it too. That kind of engine doesn’t suit a car like a 2002 in my opinion.
I thought the Honda S2000-powered 2002 featured was great – what a breath of fresh air to see a modified classic BMW with a totally different twist on it. I have driven cars with those Honda VTEC engines inside and I have to say that they’re totally addictive – chasing the redline is so much fun and I bet that S2000 engine really makes that 2002 fun to drive. I’m all for beautifully restored, original, classic BMWs but every once in a while it’s nice to see something that breaks the mould, a car that might upset the purists but which expresses some real personality.
Talking of restorations, the E21 in this issue is another car brought back to life by a dedicated BMW enthusiast. For a long time you could pick up a decent E21 for not very much money while it sat in the shadow of the E30, as values of E30s have risen so the E21 has become more popular, and rightly so – the pure lines of the first generation of 3 Series and its ultimate simplicity make it a fabulous first classic car. Read about the rebuild of a lovingly restored 316.
BBC TV's Top Gear became ingrained in car culture decades ago, but it did something more than that. In its original form, with Clarkson, Hammond and May, it managed to go further than any «car show» had before – making cars mainstream. The programme became popular light entertainment for people who didn't care about cars, regardless of what you think of the show that's no mean feat. Now, as you undoubtedly know, the trio's antics over the years were peppered with controversy but even with that fact, for car enthusiasts, often it was their three-way car buying adventures that stuck in the mind – even if they ended in destruction. This month's cover car is a former star of one of those episodes – a survivor. The E31 850Ci was purchased for the show and raced by Richard Hammond against Jeremy Clarkson and James May in 2011. I won't spoil the feature for you but suffice to say the car hung around afterwards until a member of the production crew saved it following an eight-year lay-up. Read the full story.
SM enthusiasm
Chapeau! for your excellent feature on Jerry Hathaway’s Citroën SM racecar, truck and trailer.
Jerry was a very dear friend, whom I had the pleasure of visiting for 12 years, until Covid hit. I would spend two to three weeks annually learning and doing all things SM under Jerry’s supervision in his Santa Clarita workshop [below] before returning to Oz and passing my findings on to the local SM enthusiasts. Regarding his willingness to share his expertise, he commented: ‘All I want [to see] is that SMs are running good.’ As for the rig being sold to Europe, Jerry was pleased that it would form part of an impressive SM collection and that European enthusiasts would be able to see it. Personally, I was touched by Marc Sonnery’s closing lines: ‘Here’s to you, Jerry Hathaway. André Citroën would surely have raised his hat in tribute.’
A life well-lived
Your ‘Man and Machine’ article about Arwel Richards and his Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow in struck a chord. In May 2021 I sold my Daimler Double Six Coupé after 30 years’ ownership and promptly found a very nice 1970 Bentley T1 to replace it. Like Arwel, I contacted the Rolls-Royce Enthusiasts’ Club and found that the car had been ordered by Sir Nicolas Cayzer (later Lord Cayzer), a shipping magnate, and the T1 cost him the princely sum of £8,108.90. This included £1.25 for a GB badge, £6.00 for a badge bar and £3.55 for two yards of Ambla headliner, to be used for the later fitting of the sun roof. The average UK house price in 1970 was £4000! Arwel describes his Shadow’s paint as ‘shabby’. I think of mine as showing 52 years of a life lived well – and, like Arwel, I enjoy the car far too much to be precious.